Tomoko Kawachi – Daily
Correspondence with Marijn van Kreij
27 October- 3 November 2009
M=Marijn van Kreij
Two weeks ago I was just on time to see the exhibition of Tomoko
Kawachi (Chiba, Japan, 1974) at Art Singel 100, an unknown (more or
less hidden) gallery space to me. It was the first time I saw her work
again since we both left the Rijksakademie in 2006. She usually paints
big canvasses, twice her size at least, but there’s also small
sculptures and a big output of drawings, that work more or less like a
diary. Her work is very powerfull and modest at the same time,
mysterious but playfull, probably that’s why it reminds me also of the
work of René Daniels. I emailed Tomoko some questions about the show
and last week everyday another question got answered. Here’s a slightly
edited transcription of this email-interview:
M: Though it always have been quite personal (private?) subjects and
thoughts you’ve exposed in your paintings and drawings, I think the
show at Art Singel was even more focussed on your daily experience with
objects. To me it seems as if you adjust some sort of mystical or
mythical role to these objects. As if they become storytellers on their
own. A lot of stuff re-appears in your works again and again. Can you
tell about how (or why) you started working like this?
T: My works might seem obsessive, megalomaniac even... I used to feel
ashamed about this, but I like this way of working because the works
are somehow still charming. Maybe because I try to model
(visualize) something invisible. All objects become visible after I
'model' them (in a drawing), but before that they are
invisible. This not complicated, but a simple and primitive issue.
All drawings are invisible before you draw the line them, aren't they?
M: But what exactly do you think makes your work being megalomaniac, the choice of subjects is rather humble, isn’t it?
T: Perhaps, because I try to animate the objects. Especially when I work for paintings.
I choose the objects carefully, but also like a gambling.
M: What about the sculpture, that kind of functioned as the
centre-piece of your exhibition, with the bed-structure and circle cut
out, and those paper objects: cloths, pencils, a hanging bell? And than
the eye-masks, what about sleeping?
T: I have chosen a bedframe as a platform to show the different pieces
(the small sculptures on the bedframe) but they are not about
They are all sort of hitched matter from an unknown state within me, in
between being awake and sleeping. Let’s say each piece is a kind of
crossover of two worlds.
If you take a bit of distance from the sculpture and see the whole scenery, it also looks a bit like a crane game.
As for the eye-masks, I placed those a bit far from the centre-piece
because the eye-masks have been made for a more physical study of
sleeping/awaking or visible/invisible.
M: I remember you were kind of struggling with your paintings when we
were finishing the Rijksakademie, still you can feel somehow your
paintings don’t come easily. They are like a battlefield of both
applied paint and meaning. It seems to me you are making less paintings
now. Can you explain about your ‘problems’ with painting?
T: Basically all works don't come easily. It not only accounts for
paintings, but also for sculptures and drawings. The difficulty is to
catch good subjects but fortunately drawings have a different time and
scale to work with, compared to both paintings and sculptures. In every
work, I try to catch a moment. The moment means catching an
answer. Answers mean I have solved a 'problem', I should have
'questions' before I start. All actions during the process are paths in
search for an answer.
Sometimes 'problems' come to me, before I realize what the question is.
I feel uncomfortable and sense some ‘questions’ before I start but it's
more unconscious. Then anyway I start working to figure out my
Maybe this being blind for both the questions and answers: having no
idea about the subject or result (what and how), creates the big
problem while working. It makes me feel I am ‘double’-blind as a
painter. I hope it doesn’t become ‘triple’. (I am just joking!)
Searching invisible subjects and invisible ‘results’ at the same time
is why it takes (sometimes a lot of) time to make an artwork. Things
are invisible but also should be ‘painterly’. When I was struggling at
the Rijks, I worked hard to figure out something but it was too much
focused on 'answers', I should’ve visualized the 'questions' also.
I might be making less paintings now. Of course the reason
includes bunch of things happening in my life (I have moved
to different houses five times this year), immigration matters and
so on. But also I could say, in my paintings, I am mildly changing
the focus from painting (putting paint) towards drawing
(making a figure) in this year.
By the way talking about ‘drawing’ to me it not only means 'making a
figure’, but also 'pull something out of me to
finish'. When I talk about 'drawing' I feel closer to the
M: I think it is interesting your approach to painting and drawing, and
also your choice to paint rather big canvases (often much bigger then
you are yourself), so the gesture becomes really important, which gives
the work a lot of power...
T: Recently I work in three ‘genres’ and each has a different approach
to space and scale and asks for a different viewpoint. When I work on a
painting, I have to stand up in front of it and look and unconsciously
I work for its relation to the space and wall. When I work on a
sculpture, it is in between the floor and walls. Maybe my posititon is
undetermined. When I work on my drawings, I only have to look down and
also I sit on the floor or a chair, which is rather comfortable and
makes it easier to concentrate deeply and the view becomes more compact.
M: You’ve been living in Amsterdam now for some years, still you can
feel your approach towards certain aspects of Amsterdam, or Dutch
‘culture’ in general, is one of a stranger. I guess this is somehow a
way to make you feel at home here. I was just wondering what you miss
most of Tokyo and what you like about Amsterdam?
T: ‘Tomoko in Tokyo' is, she was very active and she also believed in
her activity of working for paintings. 'Tomoko in Amsterdam'
is, she is passive because she is doubting about her activities in
Tokyo. She started to try to catch the moment of 'looking’ and
‘being surprised' by her own experiences in Amsterdam.
What I miss most of Tokyo is maybe the sounds. The sounds of people's
buzz, sounds of trains arriving at the platform, sounds of TV,
(Japanese) pop music, sounds of bug's singing, sounds of shoes
scraping the street. What I like about Amsterdam that all things are
present. However I am passive and less active, I am quite
enjoying how I react to this environment.
M: And to end a bit lighthearted, what’s your favourite song at the moment?
T: Ahhh for exactly this moment, I can say ' Sparks- This town ain't big enough for the both of us'.
And I listen to 'Crazy Ken Band' often at my studio. But it's difficult to choose one song of them!